I thought the extras who told me about this new organization were a bunch of nuts. I was leery of it and I didn't have the money to spend on frivolous things. So I got in touch with Leon Ames and he explained that they were starting a union that was going to do a lot of things for actors. He said that I had to be sure that nobody saw me go to the SAG office when I joined and to be careful who I talked to. There was this feeling that we would be blacklisted. I never let a producer or director or casting person know I was a member of the union unless I was pinned to the wall. I knew that the big stars were backing the union, it was a Who's Who list of Hollywood. That gave me courage. If the stars believed in it, what kind of a dope was I if I didn't believe in it?